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A report by Fox News, captured in a clip posted on YouTube.com, showed Waters challenging the president of Shell Oil, John Hofmeister, to guarantee the prices consumers pay will go down if the oil companies are allowed to drill wherever they want off of U.S. shores.
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Hofmeister replied: "I can guarantee to the American people, because of the inaction of the United States Congress, ever-increasing prices unless the demand comes down."
The Shell exec said paying $5 at the pump "will look like a very low price in the years to come if we are prohibited from finding new reserves, new opportunities to increase supplies."
Waters responded, in part, "And guess what this liberal would be all about. This liberal will be about socializing … uh, um. …"
The congresswoman paused to collect her thoughts.
"Would be about, basically, taking over, and the government running all of your companies. …"
The oil executives responded, according to Fox News, by saying they've seen this before, in Hugo Chavez's Venezuela.
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Hofmeister replied: "I can guarantee to the American people, because of the inaction of the United States Congress, ever-increasing prices unless the demand comes down."
The Shell exec said paying $5 at the pump "will look like a very low price in the years to come if we are prohibited from finding new reserves, new opportunities to increase supplies."
Waters responded, in part, "And guess what this liberal would be all about. This liberal will be about socializing … uh, um. …"
The congresswoman paused to collect her thoughts.
"Would be about, basically, taking over, and the government running all of your companies. …"
The oil executives responded, according to Fox News, by saying they've seen this before, in Hugo Chavez's Venezuela.
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Re: Dems want control over U.S. oil flow
Thu, June 19, 2008 - 6:03 PMIt's about time. -
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Thu, June 19, 2008 - 7:18 PMI knew this post would draw out praises from the commies:-)
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Thu, June 19, 2008 - 7:03 PMProbably we have found a point of agreement here. The oil industry in America is the envy of the world and our success has been literally astounding and at the same time seemingly never recognized. In my view there has never been any reason to limit oil drilling anywhere- anywhere we can explore for oil, we should. This can be and is done without undue harm to to our environment. All the environmental concerns appear to be completely overblown to me. There are working oil fields all over the city of Los Angeles for instance and no one seems to recognize this or even be aware of it. We have been operating in the Gulf of Mexico on a very large scale for a long, long time and there are no serious environmental problems associated with this. There should be no ban on offshore drilling in the US and ANWR needs to be opened to exploration. These would be positive steps for our country, creating new wealth, decreasing oil imports, and continuing our historic trend of leading the world in oil exploration... even saying all this however it is quite evident that this won't alter the peak for US oil production which has already occurred or end our dependence on foreign oil. If this exploration were successful somewhere down the road it will effect oil prices to some degree, but this effect is not likely to be large and may not even be noticeable.
>>"The oil executives responded, according to Fox News, by saying they've seen this before, in Hugo Chavez's Venezuela"<<
I don't think our country will ever go that route and Venezuela is already beginning to pay the price for Chavez's stupidity. -
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Thu, June 19, 2008 - 7:22 PMwow Rene, I don't think I expected this response from you. I guess I thought your whole reason for existance was to oppose everything I write:-)
Interestingly, Bush is berrating congress for not passing legislation now to allow drilling offshore and in ANWR. Most are not aware however the Bush senior has executive orders banning this which must be lifted first. Why doesn't Bush do this first??? -
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Thu, June 19, 2008 - 9:05 PM>>"Why doesn't Bush do this first???"<<
Probably because it would not actually change anything and could be easily reversed by the next president. Bush is pushing for Congress to act first. If successful this would cause a more permanent and positive effect. Unfortunately, there is really little hope Congress will do this. -
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Fri, June 20, 2008 - 1:37 AMIf they don't, it could undo them in the fall elections. The number one issue on everyones mind right now is the price of gas (and food), not immigration, not homosexual marriages in california etc.. The candidate the articulates a reasonable energy policy could steal the show. McCain as come out with a statement that we need to drill. The Florida governor is also on board. Pressure is mounting for the dems to get in line with the people to claim to represent. Right now they appear like anti oil elitists. -
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Fri, June 20, 2008 - 9:31 AM>>"Right now they appear like anti oil elitists."<<
I agree, and find it really discouraging. There is no one who I can vote for. McCain appears to be a total fool, not recognizing Iraq was a mistake from the beginning and the time to leave and cut our losses is already far in the past. The Dems are willing to end the war, but seem to have no clue about the proper ways to address our social needs. Both roads lead to disaster, in my opinion. There is a middle path, but no one seems to see it. My hope is that we get a 50-50 split in Congress and total deadlock, leaving the president powerless, then the moderates from both parties will steer the way and hopefully lead us where we really need to go.
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Re: Dems want control over U.S. oil flow
Fri, June 20, 2008 - 5:48 AMMy gripe about oil prices isn't supply, control or anything else but obscene oil company profit. The money that we are giving away to foreign governments and big corporations is in the billions. Take that money and put in in renewable energy development or credits or in purchasing renewable energy generation then fine, but the money is going into stockholders or royal families pockets. -
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Fri, June 20, 2008 - 6:10 AM"but the money is going into stockholders or royal families pockets. "
got an IRA, 401k? Then most likely you are one of those "stock holders" since oil companies are publically owned. The cost to drill has become enormous, it requires companies with billions of dollars to bring us the affordable energy we have been enjoying for so long. I agree that we need to stop lining the pockets of our sworn enemies and need to drill here, in the USA. -
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Re: Dems want control over U.S. oil flow
Fri, June 20, 2008 - 7:07 AMWe don't want to drill in the US because that would affect our strategic oil reserves. We do want foreign or at least non-mainland US oil but want the profit to be reasonable and we want our US energy policy to move toward renewable energy.
Also, those dollars are replaceable with other investments. -
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Fri, June 20, 2008 - 7:20 AM"We don't want to drill in the US"
who is *we*. Do you mean you elitists? 85% of republicans, 57% of democrats, 60 percent of unaffiliated and 46% of liberals favor offshore drilling. -
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Re: Dems want control over U.S. oil flow
Fri, June 20, 2008 - 9:28 AMThe "we" is Americans. We need strategic oil reserves. -
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Fri, June 20, 2008 - 2:09 PMwe is not the majority of Americans, as I just point out and you failed to refute.
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Fri, June 20, 2008 - 9:16 AM>>"obscene oil company profit"<<
I would have to say that moreso than in any other industry, oil company profits are fully aligned with to best aspects of capitalism- companies take on enormous risk for potentially large rewards. The rewards in recent years have often not justified the risks and as a result exploration has suffered. This could be part of the reason oil supply seems to be falling behind demand. If you really think oil company profits are "obscene" you can get your part- buy oil company stocks, but historically these stocks have not performed any better or worse than most industries, so your complaint has no merit. As far as oil money going into "royal families pockets" there is nothing anyone can do about this, other than invade and take over these countries, as they control the oil in their countries... is this what you are proposing?
>>"Take that money and put in in renewable energy development "<<
The idea that you should take money from one industry to support another is absurd. Why not take the profits from Microsoft and invest it in renewable energy. Why not take the profits from the latest hit movie or entertainment star which are far out of line with what they contribute to society? The money going to these people truly is wasted. In contrast, the oil industry has always reinvested their profits to keep the stream of cheap oil going strong. What you really don't seem to understand is that oil is an incredibly cheap source of energy even at $200 or $300 a barrel. If you consider that alternative energy sources are a worthy goal for our society and nation, then you need to be willing to pay for it yourself. It should be done fairly and no industry should pay more than any other industry. I happen to think it is a worthy goal to pursue alternative energy. It would set America up to continue to be the world's leading nation for many centuries to come. Here is how I would do it; stop wasting money on fruitless wars- cut the military budget in half and put that half to work building and developing new technology to alter the energy use and consumption in this country. This would allow us to have a smooth transition from fossil fuels to the energy sources of the future. The time to start is now. -
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Fri, June 20, 2008 - 9:44 AM"I would have to say that moreso than in any other industry, oil company profits are fully aligned with to best aspects of capitalism- companies take on enormous risk for potentially large rewards. The rewards in recent years have often not justified the risks and as a result exploration has suffered."
All the more reason to make renewable energy the primary source, not petro.
"The idea that you should take money from one industry to support another is absurd. "
Not all all, anyway, energy is energy.
"Here is how I would do it; stop wasting money on fruitless wars- cut the military budget in half and put that half to work building and developing new technology to alter the energy use and consumption in this country. This would allow us to have a smooth transition from fossil fuels to the energy sources of the future. The time to start is now."
Agreed, tech exists now to make us petro independent but it would make us change our way of life. This of course will happen anyway as petro is running out. -
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Fri, June 20, 2008 - 11:49 AM>>"Not all all, anyway, energy is energy."<<
This is a totally illogical statement. Should the makers of solar panels be forced to pay for oil exploration if it turned out they were making a profit from selling solar energy and we still needed more oil, but could no longer afford to pay for exploration since the solar cells made the oil worth less?
By this logic, successful farmers should subsidize those whose crops have failed- food is food. Successful software developers who have found elegant solutions for cheap and effficient computer programs should be made to subsidize the development of programs mandated as "needed" by the government.
It is very simple; oil exploration is a legitimate business that requires the efforts of thousands of hardworking people to be successful. There is no reason this business should be targeted more than any other to attain goals society at large might deem important and/or necessary. -
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Fri, June 20, 2008 - 12:29 PMYou are not even close to logic in your statements now. Oil is going away. Oil companies are raking in excess profits from a non-sustainable resource. When the switch on oil finally goes off, the US as well as the rest of world will be screwed if there isn't already another system in place to provide light, heat and transportation. Profits from current operations can provide the boost needed for us to move ahead to the next phase of our energy sources. -
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Fri, June 20, 2008 - 2:08 PM>>"Oil companies are raking in excess profits"<<
There is no such thing as "excess profits". We have a free market which sets the price. If someone is willing to pay that price; the good or commodity is worth that to them and term "excess profit" has no meaning. If the good or commodity is not worth that price, then they will not pay it and in order to sell the good or commodity the price will go down. Any given painting, for instance, probably took some roughly equal amount of time and work compared to any other, yet for some people will pay millions, whereas others they might only pay $50. Is there "excess profit" on the one that sold for millions? No, the painting is worth whatever someone is willing to pay. If you think what your paying for energy is too high, don't use the energy. But the truth of the matter is that what you are paying now for energy from oil is quite a bargain. If it were ten times higher it would still be a bargain. Compare the cost of driving, or flying across the country to the real costs in time and energy to do this without hydrocarbon fuels. The real value of these fuels is hundreds, if not thousands of times more than what we pay for it. The oil industry is able to supply you with these fuels because of a lot of hard work and effort by thousands of people- the simple fact is that you would have no access at all to these fuels without these people. If we move to alternative energy sources, whoever does the work and supplies the resources will deserve the profits, just as much as the oil industry does now.
Let us give an example. Right now someone takes a capital risk and invests in a large solar power plant. He can't know exactly how profitable the plant will be, but it is possible once the plant is paid for, they will be making money from the sun, supplying power at no additional expense. The price for energy might skyrocket- is the investor in solar energy then raking in "excess profits"? There is no difference between a solar power plant and an oil well. To build either one is an investment risk and whatever profit might be made in always justified and never "excess". -
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Fri, June 20, 2008 - 2:21 PMwhat you don't understand Rene is very few folks on this tribe understand the concept of free enterprise, much less believe in it. They are the product of ignorant liberalism, which fortunately, is one thing that will be going away. And the sooner the better.
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Fri, June 20, 2008 - 2:19 PM"You are not even close to logic in your statements now."
actually, I cannot think of a time when Rene has been more right on than. You need to listen carefully and stop spouting socialist nonesense. Taking money from a business entity is called "stealing". We don't believe in that in the U.S. I think you would be thinking of North Korea, perhaps your home country?
"Oil is going away. Oil companies are raking in excess profits from a non-sustainable resource."
there is absolutely no proof on Gods Green Earth that oil is anything but here to stay for the forseable future. If you have proof that I am wrong, lets have it. Otherwise, don't make unsupported statements. If you don't like the profits oil company's are making, ride your bike, don't buy plastics or food grown in fertilizer. You will impress us all with your principles.
"When the switch on oil finally goes off, the US as well as the rest of world will be screwed if there isn't already another system in place to provide light, heat and transportation. Profits from current operations can provide the boost needed for us to move ahead to the next phase of our energy sources."
You are bonkers Blue. We have enough coal in the ground to supply heat and light for many decades and nuclear power is more than able to replace it when it goes, hopefully beforehand. But no worries, oil is not going away anytime soon.
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